An update for the organic farm shop were my wife and I buy meat is that the lady who runs the estate with her husband to which the farm shop belongs (leased out I believe) was there last week. I was able to talk to her about Sodium Nitrite and how it had effected me.
It seems she was aware of the issues and it looks as though they are going to try and push for their meat to be processed for bacon and gammons without the nasty chemical which is good news.
Bugger! I love pate for breakfast and it has SN in it. I know I shouldn't... but I love it.
Luckily there is bacon without it now and we always buy it. I think it is called Naked.
I've gone full fat butter and olive oil - no margarine or seed oils in our house.
It is SO infuriating that they poison our food. At least our meats aren't full of growth hormones, (unlike the States and Australia - where our wonderful govt are busy doing trade deals) but antibiotics are still a thing.
And that's before you look at what gets sprayed on the veggies. Each meal should come with its own chemical listing!
I think the thing is the nitrosamines and these should not necessarily be present in pate as it is not heated to high temperatures I assume. Still, there is no need for it which is what makes it so ridiculous.
Glad to hear about full fat butter and olive oil. I always was using olive oil quite a bit but changed to butter in early 2020. I wrote this to help take down margarine.
Thanks, I may try it one day, like making own mayo which is lovely but all takes time. Seen something since about sodium nitrite which said as only small quantities in bacon, sausages & pate, not a problem. Who to believe... Guess I may find out one day.
Hi Marc. The problem is who is saying this that small quantities are ok. Sodium nitrite is essentially part of pharmaceutical chemicals and whilst one might get away with it in small doses it must be neutralised by the body to avoid the inevitable neuro-toxic effects.
Having looked at sausage ingredients I reckon these are are much better bet than bacon as decent quality sausages don't generally seem to contain it.
But most bacon does, even good quality ranges. Given what the nitrites and nitrates do to the body one needs to take this sort of thing seriously if one values ones health. This is from the WHO re nitrates and nitrites in drinking water.
Hi Michael old friend, This is a huge rabbit hole and I have been studying health, fasting, nutrition, statins, cholesterol and metabolic health for the last few months. I only wish I could remember it all!
Food For Life, by Tim Spector (Zoe) has slightly relaxed my concerns on nitrites a bit as he agrees that whilst they are not 'good', a much bigger issue is cheap products with multiple chemicals and high levels of processing. He mentions the WHO study and context.
Trouble is, everyone has a different take and you meet yourself coming back with opposite opinions. Nightmare. I think balance and quality count for a lot with diet.
A major eye opener for me has been the lies about a low fat/high carb diet that we've been spoon fed all our lives. As a result, I am now full fat, low carb, minimum sugar and ultra processed foods. 90%+ of what's on the supermarket shelves is irrelevant to me.
My weight is good, health good and no meds! Works for me. BW.
Food safety issues are a subject very near and dear to my heart as well. Sorry to hear about your own troubles with all that! I will probably be doing a writeup on glyphosate at some point. Its another pervasive poison in many foods. I want to present a shopping guide for here in the US at least for avoiding the worst of it. And yes, Chicago has always been the most corrupt city in the US. It was that way back in the 19th century and has been since.
Thanks for sharing your story and inviting me over to your Substack! I'm really glad you were able to help yourself get better.
I don't know why I didn't put this together before, but just now, reading your story, it seems to me that the rise in MS might correlate with the use of this chemical. Perhaps some people, due to epigenetic factors or their body's inability to detox accumulate more and/or have a more intense reaction to it? I know that many have regained total health through changing their diets, so I think it's possible. Have you seen Living Proof? It's a documentary about Matt Embry who cured his MS through diet.
Thank you Penny. I am by no means cured (unlike the bacon!), so healing is ongoing.
I certainly think that of all the E numbers E250, 251 and 252 are at the top of the list. It is the nitrogen ions that are harmful in excess. Then of course there are the artificial sweeteners, far worse than the refined sugars they are supposed to replace.
I have not seen Living Proof so many thanks for the link.
Anyway, you are very welcome. Come and go as you please, there is no charge!
I'm pescatarian but will occasionally eat a tiny bit of meat, however, I'm aware of the nitrite problem in meat and why it's so very bad to feed processed meats to dogs. Interesting to know the chemical processes involved.
Many thanks and pendant away! I proof read my own stuff with no other assistance so anything like that is a help. Accuracy is important. I used to write detailed surveyor reports fro clients as I was a building surveyor so I had to learn to hate errors, however minor.
Anyway all changed on this and my WordPress site where it is duplicated.
I'm glad to see you are on a mission to destroy big pharma. More power to your elbow as they say. I wrote a piece on 21st century medicine not being fit for purpose on my Substack. And thank you for this piece on nitrates. I always knew they were bad but one gets lazy and forgets.
A while back I said I would check with Knepp to find out what ingredients they put in their sausages. I have the answer and it is: Fallow Venison (84%), Pork (9%, Buckwheat Flour (Gluten Free), Sea Salt, Sage, Thyme, Parsley, Black Pepper, Juniper. Their pork roam free on their re-wilded estate and they minimise all contact with them allowing them to forage naturally so probably about the best pork you can buy in our part of the world. The herds of deer on the estate are entirely wild.
Very interesting indeed. We have been buying meat from the Knepp Estate near Horsham - almost exclusively venison and mainly their mince but I have bought their venison sausages and their venison bacon so before I do again I will have a word with them.
Excellent, thank you. You may have seen my comment pinned at the top. The farm shop was the Goodwood one near Chichester. My wife and I have been for a walk through Knepp Estate and I have listened to a video by the owners on the rewilding and how this has improved productivity by farming suitably according to the needs of the soil as it were rather than poisoning with chemicals.
Yes I did see your comment Michael - I spoke to Ian some time ago at Knepp to ask him what vaccines they pump into their livestock and he told me the deer have no contact whatsoever with humans as they are treated as being wild but the pigs and cattle are treated as livestock so they have to have veterinary checks. He assured me that they would never give any vaccines and or medicines to their livestock that were unnecessary. He was very well aware of the globalist agenda to have big corporates take over global food production.
Interesting research and post! I encountered a neurotoxin in beef jerky here in the States. For convenience sake I was eating a handful of beef jerky one day. The label on the package said "no nitrates". But it did list "celery powder". Come to find out the hard way that celery powder is very high in nitrates but it can be listed without mention of that.
So what happened was that I had an awful manic episode and I am not a manic type. This lasted less than a day but it was not fun because it was a crabby manic ride, not a happy one. I looked up "mania and nitrates" and it's been known about for quite some time.
Yes, the FDA still permits nitrates and nitrites in food in the US, but maybe worse is allowing celery powder to be used and listed with no mention of its constitution. So I don't eat any cured meats here ever.
Plus I have a tendency to migraine (the kind that comes with aura) and that stuff can trigger it.
Oh wow, how horrible! I was aware of celery powder but not that it could be that toxic.
I have said elsewhere that it is the nitrogen atom in the chemical make up of the bulk of big pharma drugs that causes people so many issues. Like the sound of the word nitrogen it brings on the night!
Sorry to have missed this. It is an interesting question. I think the comma breaks the meaning up so that 'not me' is reinforcing the 'No' rather than cancelling it out and implying as you say guilt.
An excellent essay. We essentially cannot eat anything from a supermarket, or anything that has undergone 'processing'. The only thing this chemical process engineer would eat that has been processed is food that has been fermented, dried or de-hydrated, or salted. No chemicals. No E(vil) numbers.
Wouldn't it be easier to just go vegan? Healthier, too. I have been one for about 40 years, and never go to an allopathic doctor; I don't need to. I feel better, have more endurance and strength, and can think more clearly than when I was in my teens. But hey, to each their own.
Thanks Alex. I have no problem with vegan. Some meals my wife and I have are vegan! The real issue is food has been poisoned in various ways be it meat, dairy, grain, fruit and vegetables.
Eating unpoisoned food is the first thing. I wasn't seeing an allopathic doctor for 40 years myself I suppose (except for a hernia and a calf muscle injury. I avoided any phama products on the whole except for the odd Lemsip or similar which I will avoid now.
My energy was good until I started eating the adulterated bacon, but my diet was always geared to fruit and veg and not much meat and dairy.
You're right, I eat mostly organic, to avoid as much of the toxins as possible. Unfortunately, they can't be completely eliminated, even organically grown still has pesticides in it.
An update for the organic farm shop were my wife and I buy meat is that the lady who runs the estate with her husband to which the farm shop belongs (leased out I believe) was there last week. I was able to talk to her about Sodium Nitrite and how it had effected me.
It seems she was aware of the issues and it looks as though they are going to try and push for their meat to be processed for bacon and gammons without the nasty chemical which is good news.
Hi Michael,
Bugger! I love pate for breakfast and it has SN in it. I know I shouldn't... but I love it.
Luckily there is bacon without it now and we always buy it. I think it is called Naked.
I've gone full fat butter and olive oil - no margarine or seed oils in our house.
It is SO infuriating that they poison our food. At least our meats aren't full of growth hormones, (unlike the States and Australia - where our wonderful govt are busy doing trade deals) but antibiotics are still a thing.
And that's before you look at what gets sprayed on the veggies. Each meal should come with its own chemical listing!
I think the thing is the nitrosamines and these should not necessarily be present in pate as it is not heated to high temperatures I assume. Still, there is no need for it which is what makes it so ridiculous.
Glad to hear about full fat butter and olive oil. I always was using olive oil quite a bit but changed to butter in early 2020. I wrote this to help take down margarine.
https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2022/05/01/b-is-for-build-back-butter-and-avoid-margarine/
It's really not that complicated to make your own pate and it tastes better.
Thanks, I may try it one day, like making own mayo which is lovely but all takes time. Seen something since about sodium nitrite which said as only small quantities in bacon, sausages & pate, not a problem. Who to believe... Guess I may find out one day.
Hi Marc. The problem is who is saying this that small quantities are ok. Sodium nitrite is essentially part of pharmaceutical chemicals and whilst one might get away with it in small doses it must be neutralised by the body to avoid the inevitable neuro-toxic effects.
Having looked at sausage ingredients I reckon these are are much better bet than bacon as decent quality sausages don't generally seem to contain it.
But most bacon does, even good quality ranges. Given what the nitrites and nitrates do to the body one needs to take this sort of thing seriously if one values ones health. This is from the WHO re nitrates and nitrites in drinking water.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/wash-documents/wash-chemicals/nitrate-nitrite-background-document.pdf
Hi Michael old friend, This is a huge rabbit hole and I have been studying health, fasting, nutrition, statins, cholesterol and metabolic health for the last few months. I only wish I could remember it all!
Food For Life, by Tim Spector (Zoe) has slightly relaxed my concerns on nitrites a bit as he agrees that whilst they are not 'good', a much bigger issue is cheap products with multiple chemicals and high levels of processing. He mentions the WHO study and context.
Trouble is, everyone has a different take and you meet yourself coming back with opposite opinions. Nightmare. I think balance and quality count for a lot with diet.
A major eye opener for me has been the lies about a low fat/high carb diet that we've been spoon fed all our lives. As a result, I am now full fat, low carb, minimum sugar and ultra processed foods. 90%+ of what's on the supermarket shelves is irrelevant to me.
My weight is good, health good and no meds! Works for me. BW.
Thanks for the heads up on this. I will be checking product labels here on in, particularly on prepared meats.
Food safety issues are a subject very near and dear to my heart as well. Sorry to hear about your own troubles with all that! I will probably be doing a writeup on glyphosate at some point. Its another pervasive poison in many foods. I want to present a shopping guide for here in the US at least for avoiding the worst of it. And yes, Chicago has always been the most corrupt city in the US. It was that way back in the 19th century and has been since.
Thanks for posting this mate! I'll be on the look-out for these E250 additives from now on.
Thanks for sharing your story and inviting me over to your Substack! I'm really glad you were able to help yourself get better.
I don't know why I didn't put this together before, but just now, reading your story, it seems to me that the rise in MS might correlate with the use of this chemical. Perhaps some people, due to epigenetic factors or their body's inability to detox accumulate more and/or have a more intense reaction to it? I know that many have regained total health through changing their diets, so I think it's possible. Have you seen Living Proof? It's a documentary about Matt Embry who cured his MS through diet.
https://www.primevideo.com/region/na/detail/0QOKD67B2K9XWW0VZTWII85QKB/ref=atv_hm_wat_c_0sLMfd_1_36
I think it's so important for us to share our stories so that others who are suffering might find something that will help them heal.
Thanks again! I'm glad we met here on Substack :)
Thank you Penny. I am by no means cured (unlike the bacon!), so healing is ongoing.
I certainly think that of all the E numbers E250, 251 and 252 are at the top of the list. It is the nitrogen ions that are harmful in excess. Then of course there are the artificial sweeteners, far worse than the refined sugars they are supposed to replace.
I have not seen Living Proof so many thanks for the link.
Anyway, you are very welcome. Come and go as you please, there is no charge!
I'm pescatarian but will occasionally eat a tiny bit of meat, however, I'm aware of the nitrite problem in meat and why it's so very bad to feed processed meats to dogs. Interesting to know the chemical processes involved.
This is great, and an easy read. Well done on sharing all your research.
[Pedants corner advises me that you might want to edit "atomic weight" to "atomic number".]
Keep it up!
Many thanks and pendant away! I proof read my own stuff with no other assistance so anything like that is a help. Accuracy is important. I used to write detailed surveyor reports fro clients as I was a building surveyor so I had to learn to hate errors, however minor.
Anyway all changed on this and my WordPress site where it is duplicated.
I'm glad to see you are on a mission to destroy big pharma. More power to your elbow as they say. I wrote a piece on 21st century medicine not being fit for purpose on my Substack. And thank you for this piece on nitrates. I always knew they were bad but one gets lazy and forgets.
A while back I said I would check with Knepp to find out what ingredients they put in their sausages. I have the answer and it is: Fallow Venison (84%), Pork (9%, Buckwheat Flour (Gluten Free), Sea Salt, Sage, Thyme, Parsley, Black Pepper, Juniper. Their pork roam free on their re-wilded estate and they minimise all contact with them allowing them to forage naturally so probably about the best pork you can buy in our part of the world. The herds of deer on the estate are entirely wild.
Many thanks Patricia, very useful to know.
Very interesting indeed. We have been buying meat from the Knepp Estate near Horsham - almost exclusively venison and mainly their mince but I have bought their venison sausages and their venison bacon so before I do again I will have a word with them.
Excellent, thank you. You may have seen my comment pinned at the top. The farm shop was the Goodwood one near Chichester. My wife and I have been for a walk through Knepp Estate and I have listened to a video by the owners on the rewilding and how this has improved productivity by farming suitably according to the needs of the soil as it were rather than poisoning with chemicals.
Yes I did see your comment Michael - I spoke to Ian some time ago at Knepp to ask him what vaccines they pump into their livestock and he told me the deer have no contact whatsoever with humans as they are treated as being wild but the pigs and cattle are treated as livestock so they have to have veterinary checks. He assured me that they would never give any vaccines and or medicines to their livestock that were unnecessary. He was very well aware of the globalist agenda to have big corporates take over global food production.
Thanks, I am aware and have not eaten any animal stuff for over 25 years.
BITTER Apricot pits have highest amygdalin, B-17.
Have a healthy day, rachel
Thanks Rachel. Your comment was duplicated so I have removed this to save cluttering the comments.
Interesting research and post! I encountered a neurotoxin in beef jerky here in the States. For convenience sake I was eating a handful of beef jerky one day. The label on the package said "no nitrates". But it did list "celery powder". Come to find out the hard way that celery powder is very high in nitrates but it can be listed without mention of that.
So what happened was that I had an awful manic episode and I am not a manic type. This lasted less than a day but it was not fun because it was a crabby manic ride, not a happy one. I looked up "mania and nitrates" and it's been known about for quite some time.
Yes, the FDA still permits nitrates and nitrites in food in the US, but maybe worse is allowing celery powder to be used and listed with no mention of its constitution. So I don't eat any cured meats here ever.
Plus I have a tendency to migraine (the kind that comes with aura) and that stuff can trigger it.
Oh wow, how horrible! I was aware of celery powder but not that it could be that toxic.
I have said elsewhere that it is the nitrogen atom in the chemical make up of the bulk of big pharma drugs that causes people so many issues. Like the sound of the word nitrogen it brings on the night!
Being jocular, but "No, not me." being double negative, does that make me guilty.
Sorry to have missed this. It is an interesting question. I think the comma breaks the meaning up so that 'not me' is reinforcing the 'No' rather than cancelling it out and implying as you say guilt.
An excellent essay. We essentially cannot eat anything from a supermarket, or anything that has undergone 'processing'. The only thing this chemical process engineer would eat that has been processed is food that has been fermented, dried or de-hydrated, or salted. No chemicals. No E(vil) numbers.
Wouldn't it be easier to just go vegan? Healthier, too. I have been one for about 40 years, and never go to an allopathic doctor; I don't need to. I feel better, have more endurance and strength, and can think more clearly than when I was in my teens. But hey, to each their own.
Thanks Alex. I have no problem with vegan. Some meals my wife and I have are vegan! The real issue is food has been poisoned in various ways be it meat, dairy, grain, fruit and vegetables.
Eating unpoisoned food is the first thing. I wasn't seeing an allopathic doctor for 40 years myself I suppose (except for a hernia and a calf muscle injury. I avoided any phama products on the whole except for the odd Lemsip or similar which I will avoid now.
My energy was good until I started eating the adulterated bacon, but my diet was always geared to fruit and veg and not much meat and dairy.
You're right, I eat mostly organic, to avoid as much of the toxins as possible. Unfortunately, they can't be completely eliminated, even organically grown still has pesticides in it.